(HBO) Alvarez vs. Cintron, Broner vs. Rodriguez (Nov. 26)

[Rebel]

HBO - Saul Alvarez (38-0-1) vs. Kermit Cintron (WBC Jr. Middleweight belt)

HBO -Adrien Broner (21-0) vs. Vicente Rodriguez (34-2-1) (WBO Jr. Lightweight belt)

What are your predictions?

[Butchy Pansdown]

Cintron gets destroyed. The other fight,I have no idea. Haven't seen either one fight (at least I don't think I have).

[Rebel]

Canelo has been carefully matched to date and this fight is no different. Cintron may have been decent at one point, but that was many years ago. Mexican Red will likely box safe early on but will turn up the heat in the late rounds. I see Red scoring a late stoppage over a fatigued Cintron, and of course, an early stoppage isn't out of the question.

[TysonFan]

This fight is a mismatch. Cintron in survival mode as soon as Alvarez tags him with a good shot. Cintron will probably still be standing at the end

Alvarez by wide decision.

[HOMICIDE]

Cintron...ahhhhhhh...Cintron...you know what I am taking my boy to win this fight, not sure how but Cintron will beat Ginger. The guy has the ability to show up and fight at the weirdest times and I think he will do that going into the belly of the beast (Mexico) but to maintain my Cintron markism I will say Cintron TKO 6th

[Chaos]

This fight is a mismatch. Cintron in survival mode as soon as Alvarez tags him with a good shot. Cintron will probably still be standing at the end

Alvarez by wide decision.

I dont know about mismatch but yes Cintron will be heart broken when he finds out he cant hurt Canelo, or will he?

[Mark G]

Canelo has been carefully matched to date and this fight is no different. Cintron may have been decent at one point, but that was many years ago. Mexican Red will likely box safe early on but will turn up the heat in the late rounds. I see Red scoring a late stoppage over a fatigued Cintron, and of course, an early stoppage isn't out of the question.

It wasn't THAT long ago that Cintron was dangerous. His fights against Sergio Martinez and Angulo were in 2009. He can still be dangerous. Although I expect him to get his ass kicked. This is a decent fight for Canelo. Canelo is still a kid, Cintron is a respected veteran who is not shot ala Joel Casamayor or anything like that.

[Hawaiianpunch]

Canelo has been carefully matched to date and this fight is no different. Cintron may have been decent at one point, but that was many years ago. Mexican Red will likely box safe early on but will turn up the heat in the late rounds. I see Red scoring a late stoppage over a fatigued Cintron, and of course, an early stoppage isn't out of the question.

That seems to be the general consensus among boxing fans. Alvarez is padding his record at this point of his career. I understand he's a young fighter and is still learning but he already has 38 fights. I want to see him tested and see what he's all about. I don't feel that Cintron is going to do that.

Alvarez seems to have an edge in handspeed over Cintron. I see this fight going one way...Canelo by ko in the later rounds. But Alvarez needs to show Cintron respect who is quite a bit taller and physically stronger. It should be an entertaining fight if Cintron comes in good form.

[Rabid Kimba]

It wasn't THAT long ago that Cintron was dangerous. His fights against Sergio Martinez and Angulo were in 2009. He can still be dangerous. Although I expect him to get his ass kicked. This is a decent fight for Canelo. Canelo is still a kid, Cintron is a respected veteran who is not shot ala Joel Casamayor or anything like that.

I thought Cintron was kicking Paul Williams' ass before he went through the ropes and fucked up his shoulder.

If Cintron pulls out the upset over Canelo...I wouldn't be shocked.

[Joe King]

Didn't Cintron just lose on the Rios/Antillion undercard? I feel another BS ending to a fight again with Canelo winning.

[TysonFan]

Alvarez is kicking the crap out of Cintron. After 4.

[TysonFan]

It's over after 5. Alvarez just over powered Cintron. Good Performance by Alvarez.

[Ringside]

No contest. Cintron was the old non moving fighter of days of old. Easy target tonight. Ringo

[Hawaiianpunch]

It's hard for me to get excited over this win. Cintron is a shell of what he used to be. I think most us knew the outcome of this fight. I do give Canelo credit for the ko, he came to fight. He did what he was supposed to do with a guy like citron. What's next for Canelo?that's what I want to know.

Did anyone like Broner's ko of Rodriguez? Over all it was an exciting night for boxing.

[Joe King]

Canelo is the kind of fighter who will throw as much as his opponent. I think he and Chavez make for an all action fight. Arum won't make that fight and will match up Cotto and Chavez Jr, so let's hope Canelo fights some other top 154 pounders because they are all action fighters. Hell of a division.

[zboxz]

well Canelo didnt show me much. i know he is young but has a ton of fights. he was patient i will say that but he did get popped a few times with hooks that he is wide open for.

Cintron has never been good, he was all hype from the start and he was quitting and looking for a soft spot to lay down.

i did not like the announcers said before the fight that Cinton would have to knock Canelo out cold because he would NEVER get a decision in Mexico. I hate that shit. makes the game tainted in every way. You got to build up the credibility in the sport not tear it down.

[joey83]

well Canelo didnt show me much. i know he is young but has a ton of fights. he was patient i will say that but he did get popped a few times with hooks that he is wide open for.

Cintron has never been good, he was all hype from the start and he was quitting and looking for a soft spot to lay down.

i did not like the announcers said before the fight that Cinton would have to knock Canelo out cold because he would NEVER get a decision in Mexico. I hate that shit. makes the game tainted in every way. You got to build up the credibility in the sport not tear it down.

You cant build up something that isnt there, they are just being honest thats how boxing is and until there is something done about it they have every right to speak the truth, if they lie and say oh boxing is such a clean sport no bullshit goes on in boxing that wont help anything, maybe them speaking up about will force the people in charge to stop that crap from happening.

[El tanke]

You cant build up something that isnt there, they are just being honest thats how boxing is and until there is something done about it they have every right to speak the truth, if they lie and say oh boxing is such a clean sport no bullshit goes on in boxing that wont help anything, maybe them speaking up about will force the people in charge to stop that crap from happening.

I agree, and the same goes for fans speaking out against certain fighters beign given title belts, just because they can turn out to make big money for their promoters. Examples are Canelo and Chavez jr to name a few. Thats why I rip those two guys, not because I hate them personally, or because I think they are bums because they are not. But because other fighters that had no bussines fighting for vacant titles( Hatton) or great champs stripped (Martinez) so the Jr can win a title. Is just bullshit, and I dont stand for that kind of bullshit. So yes, I applaud the HBO crew for calling it like it is.

[TysonFan]

Martinez was "elevated" to emeritus champion. Although the WBC did this a few year's back already with other fighter's like V. Klit, Mayweather, Pac, to name a few. Although in Martinez's case it might appear they are hiding him to make way for Chavez Jr.

[El tanke]

Martinez was "elevated" to emeritus champion. Although the WBC did this a few year's back already with other fighter's like V. Klit, Mayweather, Pac, to name a few. Although in Martinez's case it might appear they are hiding him to make way for Chavez Jr.

Martinez was basically stripped of his belt, like you said. To make room for Jr. That "diamond" belt is BS. Bradley was stripped of his belt, to make room for Morales and Canelo has four championship fights under his belt, and hes yet to face a worthy opponent. Or can someone argue that Hatton, Rhodes, Gomez and Cintron were worthy?

[HOMICIDE]

Martinez was "elevated" to emeritus champion. Although the WBC did this a few year's back already with other fighter's like V. Klit, Mayweather, Pac, to name a few. Although in Martinez's case they are hiding him to make way for Chavez Jr.

Fixed! There is no might in that statement that fat pussy ass toad Suliman wants nothing to do with "Da Sex" since that hoe ass Chavez Jr. came up to middleweight because his fatass couldn't make Jr. Middleweight or he would have gave him that belt instead, fuck him and his bitch ass

[Mexican Eagle]

You cant build up something that isnt there, they are just being honest thats how boxing is and until there is something done about it they have every right to speak the truth, if they lie and say oh boxing is such a clean sport no bullshit goes on in boxing that wont help anything, maybe them speaking up about will force the people in charge to stop that crap from happening.

Interesting statement considering a Mexican fighter (JMM)that beat Paquio in the eyes of many people got robbed in Las Vegas not too long ago. You motherfuckers have a selective memory.

Regarding the JMM vs PAC 3...the fucktards that claim Pacquio beat Marquez recently like to make a reference to the punch stats. Their main argument is that Pac landed and threw more punches. Yet if you take a look at the first two fights between Pac and JMM it was Marquez that had an edge in the punch stats... yet the judges still gave the fight to Pac. Vegas judges are the biggest crooks and you people want to talk about Mexican judges being crooked really?fucking hypocrites!!!

[joey83]

Interesting statement considering a Mexican fighter (JMM)that beat Paquio in the eyes of many people got robbed in Las Vegas not too long ago. You motherfuckers have a selective memory.

Regarding the JMM vs PAC 3...the fucktards that claim Pacquio beat Marquez recently like to make a reference to the punch stats. Their main argument is that Pac landed and threw more punches. Yet if you take a look at the first two fights between Pac and JMM it was Marquez that had an edge in the punch stats... yet the judges still gave the fight to Pac. Vegas judges are the biggest crooks and you people want to talk about Mexican judges being crooked really?fucking hypocrites!!!

Hey wait a sec im not talking about mexicans or americans im talking about boxing in general world wide, it happens all over the world and if some commentators can stop it happening in mexico and other commentators stop it in germany then that would be good, all i know is at the moment boxing is rigged by judges promoters and so much more all over the world and until we all start to speak up it wont stop. I agree with you jmm beat pacquiao but they couldnt let pac lose his boxings golden boy BUT i would not call it a robbery it was close and could of gone either way, in my opinion a robbery is when 1 fighter totally dominates and he still loses but jmm was harshly judged to keep pac winning thats how id put it.

[El tanke]

Interesting statement considering a Mexican fighter (JMM)that beat Paquio in the eyes of many people got robbed in Las Vegas not too long ago. You motherfuckers have a selective memory.

Regarding the JMM vs PAC 3...the fucktards that claim Pacquio beat Marquez recently like to make a reference to the punch stats. Their main argument is that Pac landed and threw more punches. Yet if you take a look at the first two fights between Pac and JMM it was Marquez that had an edge in the punch stats... yet the judges still gave the fight to Pac. Vegas judges are the biggest crooks and you people want to talk about Mexican judges being crooked really?fucking hypocrites!!!

Perhaps Marquez not winning fights #1 and 2 was due to the fact that even after he landed more punches overall ,he was knocked down 3 times in fight #1 and once in fight #2. Have you ever thought about that? Marquez would have actually won fight #1 hands down, had he not been on his ass 3 times in the first round. But to be honest, the ref was kind to let the fight continue, because most would have stopped it after KD #3
So in fight #3 PAcquiao throws more, lands more and is never seriously hurt or wobbled. Or down plues hes the champion and he is boxings golden boy. Do you honestly think I would have gone the other way? after Marquez let off the gas in the last 3 rounds thinking he was wayyyy ahead? LOL
I scored the fight a draw, all 3 times Ive scored it, so I wouldnt say it was a robbery, it was close and could have gone either way, in my opinion.

[Rebel]

JMM didn't deserve to lose that fight. He should've been awarded no less than a draw or the victory. Most post-fight polls had JMM winning the fight.

And for the one millionth time, fuck Compubox. Compubox is basically a pair of dorks sitting ringside trying to count punches. They are human. They make mistakes and they are not immune from bias. It's possible they're huge fans of Pacquiao/Top Rank and gave him the benefit of the doubt every time it appeared he landed a punch.

Not surprisingly, Top Rank is one of their clients.



I've watched the fight 3 times now and not once did it appear to me that Manny significantly outlanded JMM. Perhaps you gave Pac extra points for bouncing around aggressively whilst doing nothing. Pac landed a lot of glancing blows and glove/arm punches. JMM landed the best punches of the fight and was not given enough credit for his body-punching.

The fact that Glen Trowbridge had it 8-3 in favor of Pac going into the final round makes it quite evident to me that there was corruption involved. Even if JMM wins the final round on EVERY judges scorecard, the bout is a DRAW. That is ridiculous.

JMM had already lost the decision before entering the ring.

[El tanke]

JMM didn't deserve to lose that fight. He should've been awarded no less than a draw or the victory. Most post-fight polls had JMM winning the fight.

And for the one millionth time, fuck Compubox. Compubox is basically a pair of dorks sitting ringside trying to count punches. They are human. They make mistakes and they are not immune from bias. It's possible they're huge fans of Pacquiao/Top Rank and gave him the benefit of the doubt every time it appeared he landed a punch.

Not surprisingly, Top Rank is one of their clients.



I've watched the fight 3 times now and not once did it appear to me that Manny significantly outlanded JMM. Perhaps you gave Pac extra points for bouncing around aggressively whilst doing nothing. Pac landed a lot of glancing blows and glove/arm punches. JMM landed the best punches of the fight and was not given enough credit for his body-punching.

The fact that Glen Trowbridge had it 8-3 in favor of Pac going into the final round makes it quite evident to me that there was corruption involved. Even if JMM wins the final round on EVERY judges scorecard, the bout is a DRAW. That is ridiculous.

JMM had already lost the decision before entering the ring.

Easy there Tiger, you might pop a vein.

I had JMM up 6-3 going into the 10th round, and IMO he lost the last 3. Thats why I had it a draw. But honestly I wasnt shocked or surprised or hurt that Pac got the nod. IMO Marquez needed to come forward a little more and throw more punches to be the clear voctor.
I was rooting for Marquez, and like I said in a post before the fight, I hope he wins by dominating Pac, or by TKO so theres no doubt. And unfortunately it wasnt like that.
If the fight had been declared in Marquez favor I wouoldnt have cried robbery, like I didnt cry robbery because Pac was called the winner. I dont care what other say, I saw a close fight from beginning to end, and the only round that MArquez dominated, was round #5. other than that, most rounds were very close.
I dont care what you think about compubox either, I saw what I saw. and the "you want to be rican" argument is one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard. You know what Im talking about.

[Rebel]

Pacquiao did not win the last three rounds. You need a serious lesson on how to score rounds.

[steve_dave]

Too many close rounds to bitch. Rebel, sporting hero's are for children.

[El tanke]

Too many close rounds to bitch. Rebel, sporting hero's are for children.

rotfl seriously, and we used to complain about titosites and roy nut huggers.
Rebel, you are so full of shit. Just because JMM is your favorite fighter ever, doesnt mean we all have to agree with you. Like I said before, most rounds were very close and the ONLY round that JMM won clearly was round 5. other than that, most rounds could have gone either way.

So, what, now we must all agree with you or else, we dont know shit about boxing? LOL Theres a reason why JMM has lost all his close fights, to be a counter puncher you have to be flawless in your execution, Marquez is good as a counter puncher, but not flawless. Thats the reason his face was pretty swollen after the fight, he was getting hit alright. But what caught most peoples attention, was that he was able to stay off his back for a change.

Have I told you that you are the ONLY person who I know has said that the only reason JMM lost to Mayweather was not because Mayweather is a superior fighter, but because he was undersized, past his prime, first fight at welterweight, drank his own pee, slept with asian men, etc.

JMM lost because he isnt as good as PBF, thats why he was dominated from beginning to end, and was never in the fight. PBF is a near flawless counterpuncher, not JMM. JMMs best wins is when he fights agressive, like vs Juan Diaz and Michael Katsidis and Joel Casamayor. Not when he wants to counterpunch, I mean he fights well, but not as good as he needs to.

[steve_dave]

The fact is, Nacho gave historically bad advice late in the fight. We all knew Pacquiao would get the nod in a close fight... Nacho should have known that too. Marquez should have pushed even harder late.