(HBO) Chavez Jr. vs. Rubio, Donaire vs. Vasquez (February 4)

[Rebel]

Several Mexican news sources have confirmed a bout between Mexican star Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Marco Antonio Rubio for February 4 in San Antonio, Texas, for Chavez’ WBC middleweight world title. Nonito Donaire will face Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. in the other main bout. An official announcement is expected next week.

What are your initial thoughts on the main event? Is this a real test for JCC Jr. or another handpicked title defense?

Early Predictions?

[Mark G]

I think this is a great fight for him, a real test. Rubio has been on a pretty good run and has looked dangerous lately. I watched his fight when he destroyed the prospect Lemeiux, and he also looked good in destroying Matt Vanda a couple of weeks ago. He is a dangerous puncher and a crafty veteran.

After this one, is Chavez going to fight Sergio Martinez?

[Rebel]

I'm really surprised more of you aren't excited about this free HBO card on Saturday.

I'm even more surprised most see this as a Chavez decision. Unless Rubio has been paid off, this will be Chavez's toughest fight to date. Rubio has more of a chance than people are giving him credit for.

[HOMICIDE]

I am really just looking forward to Donaire V Vasquez, the other fight featuring Mas Puto and Rubio (same guy who got KO'ed by Jantuah and stomped by Pavlik) is nothing more than filler garbage...I would be so happy if Rubio beat him but looks like the WBC is already stacking the deck by not taking Rubio's petition of the Ref seriously

[Rebel]

I am really just looking forward to Donaire V Vasquez, the other fight featuring Mas Puto and Rubio (same guy who got KO'ed by Jantuah and stomped by Pavlik) is nothing more than filler garbage...I would be so happy if Rubio beat him but looks like the WBC is already stacking the deck by not taking Rubio's petition of the Ref seriously

Jantuah has been inconsistent throughout his career, but he has gotten up for a few of his big fights. Jantuah at his best takes Chavez Jr. That version of Pavlik was also a much better fighter than Chavez.

Again, unless he's been paid off and there's some obvious corruption in this bout, I foresee Rubio handing Chavez his first official loss. Rubio will surprise.

[HOMICIDE]

Jantuah has been inconsistent throughout his career, but he has gotten up for a few of his big fights. Jantuah at his best takes Chavez Jr. That version of Pavlik was also a much better fighter than Chavez.

Again, unless he's been paid off and there's some obvious corruption in this bout, I foresee Rubio handing Chavez his first official loss. Rubio will surprise.

I would laugh my ass off if that happened but be sad at the same time because "Da Sex" would have got ripped off a big payday and the chance to expose that panty waste

[Mexican Eagle]

Between Diaz Vs Condit(UFC) and this card(Rubio vs Chavez) I got my saturday all planned out. I'm excited. I feel Rubio is a good test for him(chavez). I never watched Rubio's fight vs Jantuah or Pavlik. I'm not surprised he lost to Pavlik. Rubio is a crafty veteran and a dangerous puncher but he's not a great fighter. All fighters get ko'ed sometimes but it's what they do after that shows how strong(mentally) they are. Rubio might have lost to those two guys but it's what he's done lately that impresses me. He's made a comeback and is currently on a winning streak. I don't see how anyone can say that he's garbage. The hate for Chavez just blinds some people.

Chavez is not an elite fighter either. he's got some qualities, like his speed, his youth. But he also has some major flaws. he's a fighter that gets hit alot, runs out of gas. It think it's a good match. I'm picking Chavez by tko.

I don't understand why boxing fans act like such cunts sometimes. If it's not a Mayweather Vs Pacquio (mega fight) type fight they automatically call it garbage? WFT is wrong with people? I've seen plenty of good little scraps between journey men. Guys like Rubio always give it their all. Cause they know they aren't getting many more opportunites. They come to fight.
Believe me this is going to be an entertaining fight.

[Mark G]

I'm really surprised more of you aren't excited about this free HBO card on Saturday.

I'm even more surprised most see this as a Chavez decision. Unless Rubio has been paid off, this will be Chavez's toughest fight to date. Rubio has more of a chance than people are giving him credit for.

I'm fuckin hyped about this fight.

Donaire is a top pfp fighter IMO. I'm going for Vasquez because I'm tired of seeing Phillipines fighters fucking up Mexicans. jajajajaja, but if Donaire wins, which he will, its cool too because he is one hell of a fighter.

Rubio is a good challenge. Who gives a fuck about the Jantuah fight, that was like 10 years ago. Even Amir Khan got KO'ed by Prescott in the first round.

Rubio has looked strong lately, I watched him destroy undefeated prospect Lemieux, and he also easily stopped Matt VAnda, the guy who gave Chavez Jr. hell.

One of the fights showcases one of the worlds top fighters (Donaire) against a good young former champion (Vasquez) and the other fight is a competitive matchup with two top 10 middleweights. Rubio isn't the best middleweight in the world, but he is a dangerous opponent and he has a chance at pulling out a victory against Chavez, who has looked bad against fighters FAAAAR worse than Rubio!

Shit, I'm all about February 4th!

[Mark G]

Jantuah has been inconsistent throughout his career, but he has gotten up for a few of his big fights. Jantuah at his best takes Chavez Jr. That version of Pavlik was also a much better fighter than Chavez.

Again, unless he's been paid off and there's some obvious corruption in this bout, I foresee Rubio handing Chavez his first official loss. Rubio will surprise.

There is a VERY GOOD chance of that happening! That is one of the reasons why this is so interesting. But, Chavez has improved during his last few bouts, he looked decent against Zbik or Dzik, or whatever the fuck his name is, Manfredo, and Duddy (even though Duddy and Manfredo are lesser hype jobs, Chavez being a higher level of hype jobs).

The Rubio fights against Vanda and Lemiuex are on youtube and are good indications of how he has developed over the last few years into a dangerous foe. Among the 53 fights that Rubio has won, 46 have been by knockout, thats 87%, an indicator of good power. Lets see how much the genetic material of JCC St. has influenced Junior's cranial thickness. Rubio hits harder than feather fisted Zbik, moderately powered Manfredo, and Duddy. I want to see what happens when he tastes a big one.

[Mark G]

I don't understand why boxing fans act like such cunts sometimes. If it's not a Mayweather Vs Pacquio (mega fight) type fight they automatically call it garbage? WFT is wrong with people? I've seen plenty of good little scraps between journey men. Guys like Rubio always give it their all. Cause they know they aren't getting many more opportunites. They come to fight.
Believe me this is going to be an entertaining fight.

EXACTLY!

I love boxing, it doesn't have to be Pacquiao vs. Mayweather to interest me. If I'm at home, I am always going to watch boxing on Saturday nights.

[Jack1000]

It's not that Chavez Jr and Rubio is a bad fight. PROVIDED that a motivated Rubio shows up. Things could get interesting. Can't see Marco winning a decision in Texas with Arum and Sulaiman protecting their meal ticket. They got a Mexican ref, as if that's neutral in Guadalupe Garcia. Sometimes he is a little quick to stop fights. Rubio knows what he is up against. He has to KO him to win, and that isn't happening.

The fight isn't shit. The POLITICS behind the fight are shit. Going back to how Chavez Jr. became a world champion in the first place. Real Mexicans aren't too happy about that. Martinez is champion and everybody knows it.

Jack

PS. Do you think that Julio and Sergio could fight next year?

[Mark G]

It's not that Chavez Jr and Rubio is a bad fight. PROVIDED that a motivated Rubio shows up. Things could get interesting. Can't see Marco winning a decision in Texas with Arum and Sulaiman protecting their meal ticket. They got a Mexican ref, as if that's neutral in Guadalupe Garcia. Sometimes he is a little quick to stop fights. Rubio knows what he is up against. He has to KO him to win, and that isn't happening.

The fight isn't shit. The POLITICS behind the fight are shit. Going back to how Chavez Jr. became a world champion in the first place. Real Mexicans aren't too happy about that. Martinez is champion and everybody knows it.

Jack

PS. Do you think that Julio and Sergio could fight next year?

If Chavez beats Rubio, he has a duty to fight a better opponent and continue moving forward, which, IMO, would mean that he makes a serious effort to get Sergio in the ring.

[Rebel]

It's not that Chavez Jr and Rubio is a bad fight. PROVIDED that a motivated Rubio shows up. Things could get interesting. Can't see Marco winning a decision in Texas with Arum and Sulaiman protecting their meal ticket. They got a Mexican ref, as if that's neutral in Guadalupe Garcia. Sometimes he is a little quick to stop fights. Rubio knows what he is up against. He has to KO him to win, and that isn't happening.

The fight isn't shit. The POLITICS behind the fight are shit. Going back to how Chavez Jr. became a world champion in the first place. Real Mexicans aren't too happy about that. Martinez is champion and everybody knows it.

Jack

PS. Do you think that Julio and Sergio could fight next year?

Why wouldn't Rubio show up motivated? The guy has reeled off 10 wins in a row and has looked much more impressive than Chavez Jr. in the process.

I can't believe how many of you think Rubio can't KO Chavez. He most certainly can considering this is Chavez Jr. not a prime Chavez Sr. JCC Jr. was lucky to get the decision against light-punching Zbik but an easy win over the ghost of Manfredo has now somehow transformed him into a different fighter?

[TysonFan]

It's not that Chavez Jr and Rubio is a bad fight. PROVIDED that a motivated Rubio shows up. Things could get interesting. Can't see Marco winning a decision in Texas with Arum and Sulaiman protecting their meal ticket. They got a Mexican ref, as if that's neutral in Guadalupe Garcia. Sometimes he is a little quick to stop fights. Rubio knows what he is up against. He has to KO him to win, and that isn't happening.

The fight isn't shit. The POLITICS behind the fight are shit. Going back to how Chavez Jr. became a world champion in the first place. Real Mexicans aren't too happy about that. Martinez is champion and everybody knows it.

Jack

PS. Do you think that Julio and Sergio could fight next year?

I wonder if Real Mexicans (not on this site), know who the hell or give a damn about Sergio Martinez?.

[Mark G]

Why wouldn't Rubio show up motivated? The guy has reeled off 10 wins in a row and has looked much more impressive than Chavez Jr. in the process.

I can't believe how many of you think Rubio can't KO Chavez. He most certainly can considering this is Chavez Jr. not a prime Chavez Sr. JCC Jr. was lucky to get the decision against light-punching Zbik but an easy win over the ghost of Manfredo has now somehow transformed him into a different fighter?

Its ironic how everyone says that Chavez Jr. is garbage, but simultaneously say that Rubio, a quality and dangerous middleweight, has no chance at KOing Chavez.

[Mark G]

I wonder if Real Mexicans (not on this site), know who the hell or give a damn about Sergio Martinez?.

A lot don't know who he is. Boxing fans do, most Mexicans have a pretty good knowledge of boxing, but the knowledge is sometimes slightly less when we talk about anything over welterweight, I've met lots of casual Mexican boxing fans who think that Chavez is the legit champ with his green strip. That will boil the blood of purists of course.

[mex fighter]

I wonder if Real Mexicans (not on this site), know who the hell or give a damn about Sergio Martinez?.

I wonder if real whites and blacks (not on this site), know who the hell or give a damn about Sergio Martinez?



Seriously, does anyone know who he is that isn't a hardcore fan?

[Mexican Eagle]

A lot don't know who he is. Boxing fans do, most Mexicans have a pretty good knowledge of boxing, but the knowledge is sometimes slightly less when we talk about anything over welterweight, I've met lots of casual Mexican boxing fans who think that Chavez is the legit champ with his green strip. That will boil the blood of purists of course.

I think most Mexicans think Chavez is what he is because of his name. Most Mexicans feel his title was a gift. Now we are talking about Mexican boxing fans. The Mexican media also does a pretty good job at pointing out that Chavez is not the "champ" but a title holder. The Mexican media recognizes Martinez as the real champ and the guy to beat. I watch Golpe a Golpe every friday night. It's a boxing show which is the equivalent to say FNF with teddy atlas and max kellerman. Marquez is a commentator and he pretty much tells it like it is when it comes to Canelo or Chavez Jr.

[mex fighter]

yeah, marquez and the host "the tall guy" tell it like it is when it comes to canelo and jr.

they also talk about martinez a lot so maybe a lot of fans do know who he is.

[O-Dogg33]

I'm actually looking forward to these two fights. First I'm hoping Vasquez puts up a great fight against Donaire and is able to pull off the upset. I'm not a big fan of Donaire right now. I don't like when a fighter starts to get a big head and talk about themselves like they are elite fighters when they haven't quite proved it yet. He's living off the Montiel and Darchinyan KO's in my eyes. I want to see him take on the bigger guys now and look impressive before I call him one of the best in the sport.

[O-Dogg33]

I agree here that Rubio is the toughest fight of Chavez's career. And even though Rubio will probably give Chavez the fight of his life there is just something about Chavez where I always feel they are protecting him somehow and he'll escape unscathed. Rubio was able to knock out Lemiuex who I felt at the time would mop the floor with Chavez so maybe he can pull it off again. I do feel he'll need to KO Chavez or really beat him pillar to post to get a decision. If Chavez wins legitimately I will be impressed.

[Rebel]

Its ironic how everyone says that Chavez Jr. is garbage, but simultaneously say that Rubio, a quality and dangerous middleweight, has no chance at KOing Chavez.

They don't have the balls to make one pick one way or another. If Chavez wins, they're going to say that's what they predicted. If Chavez loses, they're going to argue they knew he was a fraud all along.

I don't believe Chavez Jr. is a fraud, but in my view he has never proven he's as tough and proven as Rubio. Based on what I've seen, I don't see Chavez having an easy time at all. Rubio is going to provide him with a test I suspect he won't pass.

[Rebel]

I'm actually looking forward to these two fights. First I'm hoping Vasquez puts up a great fight against Donaire and is able to pull off the upset. I'm not a big fan of Donaire right now. I don't like when a fighter starts to get a big head and talk about themselves like they are elite fighters when they haven't quite proved it yet. He's living off the Montiel and Darchinyan KO's in my eyes. I want to see him take on the bigger guys now and look impressive before I call him one of the best in the sport.

Donaire's career isn't just built on those two victories. He also has quality victories over Mthalane (TKO6), Tyson Marquez (TKO8), W. Sidorenko (KO4), and Omar Naravez (UD12).

[Jack1000]

I think most Mexicans think Chavez is what he is because of his name. Most Mexicans feel his title was a gift. Now we are talking about Mexican boxing fans. The Mexican media also does a pretty good job at pointing out that Chavez is not the "champ" but a title holder. The Mexican media recognizes Martinez as the real champ and the guy to beat. I watch Golpe a Golpe every Friday night. It's a boxing show which is the equivalent to say FNF with teddy atlas and max kellerman. Marquez is a commentator and he pretty much tells it like it is when it comes to Canelo or Chavez Jr.

Good call!

What we have in Chavez Jr. is a very ordinary undeserved world champion. I thought he got hit quite a bit early in the Zibik fight, but Sebastian let too many late rounds slip away to get the decision. Even Manfredo was close before the stoppage with two of the three rounds that could have gone to either fighter. If memory serves, I actually had Manfredo up 2-1 because I was very unimpressed with Chavez in both fights.

Julio did not fight badly or anything like that, but I don't see evidence of a world champion in him. A plus is that he does have courage and a pleasant personality. It is just that he has become the favorably biased champion due to being Julio's kid,

There aren't that many Manfredo's and Zibik's left for Julio to fight. If Rubio gives Julio trouble, I just wonder how long Arum and the WBC will be able to hide Jr. behind his father's legacy. Well, maybe they can bring back Mosley for another payday/beating and build up the fight because after all, Shane did hurt Mayweather in that second round.

Seriously though, for how long can Chavez Jr. be protected. When do you think he will be ready for Sergio?

Jack

[Mark G]

They don't have the balls to make one pick one way or another. If Chavez wins, they're going to say that's what they predicted. If Chavez loses, they're going to argue they knew he was a fraud all along.


I don't believe Chavez Jr. is a fraud, but in my view he has never proven he's as tough and proven as Rubio. Based on what I've seen, I don't see Chavez having an easy time at all. Rubio is going to provide him with a test I suspect he won't pass.

Yeah,



That is exactly what they're doing.

I am going to pick Chavez because, even though Rubio is a very dangerous foe and seems to be getting better and better as of late, I think that Chavez has also improved significantly and WILL pass the test.

Chavez W 12 116-113 (7-4-1)

But who the hell knows, Chavez hasn't fought anyone with Rubio's punch. Its going to be a great test.

[Mark G]

Donaire's career isn't just built on those two victories. He also has quality victories over Mthalane (TKO6), Tyson Marquez (TKO8), W. Sidorenko (KO4), and Omar Naravez (UD12).

I hate to agree with you there, but I do. Donaire has been tearing good fighters apart in an impressive factor. Those Phillipinos have been giving Mexico and Latin America some trouble lately!

[Mark G]

I agree here that Rubio is the toughest fight of Chavez's career. And even though Rubio will probably give Chavez the fight of his life there is just something about Chavez where I always feel they are protecting him somehow and he'll escape unscathed. Rubio was able to knock out Lemiuex who I felt at the time would mop the floor with Chavez so maybe he can pull it off again. I do feel he'll need to KO Chavez or really beat him pillar to post to get a decision. If Chavez wins legitimately I will be impressed.

True, Lemiuex looked to be a better fighter than Chavez.

[O-Dogg33]

Donaire's career isn't just built on those two victories. He also has quality victories over Mthalane (TKO6), Tyson Marquez (TKO8), W. Sidorenko (KO4), and Omar Naravez (UD12).

Still not buying it. He's been the bigger guy feasting on small guys for awhile. Time to face guys his own size that can hurt him back.

[O-Dogg33]

Yeah,



That is exactly what they're doing.

I am going to pick Chavez because, even though Rubio is a very dangerous foe and seems to be getting better and better as of late, I think that Chavez has also improved significantly and WILL pass the test.

Chavez W 12 116-113 (7-4-1)

But who the hell knows, Chavez hasn't fought anyone with Rubio's punch. Its going to be a great test.

I'll admit I'm riding the fence a little bit because of Top Rank's track record of matching Chavez soft so I'm always skeptical like they know something we don't lol. And Rubio has had a great record the past few years aside from the loss to Pavlik who was at his best at the time. But when I think of Rubio I always go back to the image of him getting waxed by Kofi Jantuah in 1 rd many years ago. I just remember how sudden it was and how much of a favorite Rubio was and them hyping him up. I gave up on him ever since.

[Rebel]