Martinez dumps WBC belt, considering switch to Showtime

**Rebel** · December 30th, 2011, 11:32 AM

Martinez dumps WBC belt, may leave HBO for Showtime | RingTV

Martinez is upset with the WBC not enforcing the bout with Chavez Jr.

Now he's considering moving to Showtime in hopes of possibly landing a future bout with Ward at 168.

Can't say I blame him for dumping the WBC Diamond belt.

**Sponsor** · December 30th, 2011 11:32 AM

**Rabid Kimba** · December 30th, 2011, 12:24 PM

Ward will outbox the older Da Sex at the heavier weight...168 seems a bit much for Martinez...that will considerably slow him down...and it might even diminish his power.

**Rebel** · December 30th, 2011, 12:26 PM

That's very likely, but you still have to give Martinez props for even considering that fight.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 30th, 2011, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rebel

That's very likely, but you still have to give Martinez props for even considering that fight.

Don't get me wrong, I love Martinez...the man is awesome...and yes...mad props to him for trying...and you never know...it's not he's a bum or anything...the dude is quick enough...and can bang...but he should have a tune up or two at 168...to see how that speed and powers carries at that weight.

**Rebel** · December 30th, 2011, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba

Don't get me wrong, I love Martinez...the man is awesome...and yes...mad props to him for trying...and you never know...it's not he's a bum or anything...the dude is quick enough...and can bang...but he should have a tune up or two at 168...to see how that speed and powers carries at that weight.

He's getting up there in age though. That's why I wouldn't put it past him to go straight to Ward. I'm sure if the money is just right, he'll jump on that opportunity.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 30th, 2011, 12:47 PM

Good point.

**joey83** · December 30th, 2011, 06:15 PM

He should fight froch or kessler first then depending on the outcome take on the winner of ward vs bute, if those 2 dont fight then he should take on ward coz bute wont wana fight outside of canada and the judges will always favour him.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 30th, 2011, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by joey83

He should fight froch or kessler first then depending on the outcome take on the winner of ward vs bute, if those 2 dont fight then he should take on ward coz bute wont wana fight outside of canada and the judges will always favour him.

I thought you were gonna say that I'm still sucking Ward's dick...

**El tanke** · December 31st, 2011, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by joey83

He should fight froch or kessler first then depending on the outcome take on the winner of ward vs bute, if those 2 dont fight then he should take on ward coz bute wont wana fight outside of canada and the judges will always favour him.

I agree, it would make sense for him to fight Kessler or froch and go from there.

**El tanke** · December 31st, 2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Rebel

Martinez dumps WBC belt, may leave HBO for Showtime | RingTV

Martinez is upset with the WBC not enforcing the bout with Chavez Jr.

Now he's considering moving to Showtime in hopes of possibly landing a future bout with Ward at 168.

Can't say I blame him for dumping the WBC Diamond belt.

Oh yeah, and fuck Jose Sulaiman, Bob Arum and JC Chavez jr for the fucking circus act, fuck them in the ass. To me Martinez is and will be the real champ.
Im fucking tired of the WBC doing Mexicans like Jr, Canelo and Morales favors.

**HOMICIDE** · December 31st, 2011, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by El tanke

Oh yeah, and fuck Jose Sulaiman, Bob Arum and JC Chavez jr for the fucking circus act, fuck them in the ass. To me Martinez is and will be the real champ.
Im fucking tired of the WBC doing Mexicans like Jr, Canelo and Morales favors.

BOOYAH!

**Laztrooper** · December 31st, 2011, 11:23 AM

Props to Martinez. Chavez is just a little bitch abc belt holder..

**Joe King** · December 31st, 2011, 12:12 PM

Martinez gave the WBC exactly what it wanted.

**joey83** · December 31st, 2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba

I thought you were gonna say that I'm still sucking Ward's dick...

Lol nah your alright, i like the different opinions and arguing about em.

**El tanke** · January 1st, 2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Joe King

Martinez gave the WBC exactly what it wanted.

Yeah, but no one outside of Mexico will respect Chavez jr now. I hope he gets KOd by Rubio, but even if hes champ for a long time, he will never get my respect unless he fights Maravilla. Martinez can fight for other titles, and he will still be recognized as the top middleweight, while JRs popularity goes down the toilet.

**Mark G** · January 2nd, 2012, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by El tanke

Yeah, but no one outside of Mexico will respect Chavez jr now. I hope he gets KOd by Rubio, but even if hes champ for a long time, he will never get my respect unless he fights Maravilla. Martinez can fight for other titles, and he will still be recognized as the top middleweight, while JRs popularity goes down the toilet.

I haven't had time to look into it, I've been swamped the last few days. Wasn't Chavez going to fight Martinez AFTER his fight with Rubio in February? And after Martinez' fight with Macklin with the winners fighting each other? If I heard wrong, then you're right, Chavez is a pussy. But if Martinez wasn't willing to fight Macklin and then fight Chavez, and Chavez was going to fight Martinez after his fight with Rubio, then its not so black and white.

**TIP** · January 2nd, 2012, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba

I thought you were gonna say that I'm still sucking Ward's dick...

Hmmm, Ward is from Oakland? TIP

**Laztrooper** · January 2nd, 2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mark G

I haven't had time to look into it, I've been swamped the last few days. Wasn't Chavez going to fight Martinez AFTER his fight with Rubio in February? And after Martinez' fight with Macklin with the winners fighting each other? If I heard wrong, then you're right, Chavez is a pussy. But if Martinez wasn't willing to fight Macklin and then fight Chavez, and Chavez was going to fight Martinez after his fight with Rubio, then its not so black and white.

Basically the WBC had ruled at their recent convention that Chavez had to defend against Martinez and then a few days later Chavez Jr's camp announced the Rubio fight. Bitch move!

**Rabid Kimba** · January 2nd, 2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by joey83

Lol nah your alright, i like the different opinions and arguing about em.

**Rabid Kimba** · January 2nd, 2012, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by TIP

Hmmm, Ward is from Oakland? TIP

Do bears shit in the woods?

**The Genius** · January 3rd, 2012, 07:52 PM

Can't have anything but respect for a fighter that will dump a belt on principle like that.

**WelshDevilRob** · January 6th, 2012, 06:56 AM

Joke of a belt in the 1st place. Don't blame him binning it.

**Mark G** · January 6th, 2012, 10:18 AM

I was looking forward to Chavez v. Rubio, MArtinez v. Macklin, and the winner facing each other. That is what I read was going to happen. That would have been a great. 4 top middleweights facing each other.

**panchyprsss** · January 15th, 2012, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mark G

I was looking forward to Chavez v. Rubio, MArtinez v. Macklin, and the winner facing each other. That is what I read was going to happen. That would have been a great. 4 top middleweights facing each other.

That is what Chavez Jr. camp & WBC Sulaiman planned AFTER both CHANGED THE ORIGINAL RULING MADE PUBLIC BY THE WBC TWO WEEKS EARLIER!!! In that ruling Jose Sulaiman ORDERED that Chavez Jr. next fight should be against Martinez or he (Jr)would have been forced to relinquish his title. The 100% about face from both Sulaiman & Chavez is a slap in the face to Martinez who has been patiently waiting to fight Chavez Jr. for quite some time. The WBC has lost a lot of credibility with this bitch move and Chavez Jr in the words of Martinez is "a coward". Why make the Chavez Jr. vs Rubio first? Heck fight Martinez first and Rubio can be the mandatory challenger to the winner! Why leave the REAL TRUE RECOGNIZED DIAMOND & RING MAGAZINE CHAMPION out waiting, again, for Chavez The Coward to later cancel it claiming an imaginary injury and later needing another tune-up?

**davemurphy** · January 16th, 2012, 01:05 PM

That resolution they issued at their convention couldn't have been more worthless, I don't know why the WBC even bothered issuing it as you knew that when push came to shove, they'd never make Chavez face Martinez. Hell, I'm stunned they're having him face Rubio, I figured on someone like 41-year-old William Joppy, if that

Let's face it, nothing is EVER going to be expected from this Kid, Jose and Boys will give him the title right back if he ever loses it.

**El tanke** · January 16th, 2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by davemurphy

That resolution they issued at their convention couldn't have been more worthless, I don't know why the WBC even bothered issuing it as you knew that when push came to shove, they'd never make Chavez face Martinez. Hell, I'm stunned they're having him face Rubio, I figured on someone like 41-year-old William Joppy, if that

Let's face it, nothing is EVER going to be expected from this Kid, Jose and Boys will give him the title right back if he ever loses it.

Yep, if he loses to rubio I bet he gets stripped and the title finds its way back in Jrs hands.

Same with Canelo and Morales. LOL its pretty sad.

**Lefthooker** · January 20th, 2012, 03:19 AM

Exactly.
This is pure out and out protectionism of young Chavez. THIS is exactly why casual fans leave boxing in droves...the best hardly ever meet at the top of their game.
Shame.

**El tanke** · January 20th, 2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Lefthooker

Exactly.
This is pure out and out protectionism of young Chavez. THIS is exactly why casual fans leave boxing in droves...the best hardly ever meet at the top of their game.
Shame.

Shit, Im not a casual fan and Im thinking of giving up on boxing. Mainly because of people like Arum and Sulaiman. They suck, Don King might have been a thief but he gave us many, many great fights. Hed match his fighters with anyone, none of that I ONLY match my champion against top rank fighters.

Or the I will strip the real champions, so my mexican protected money makers can win titles and make me even more money. Or Ill match the #1 ranked fighter vs some unranked, bum from England.

**Joe King** · January 20th, 2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by El tanke

Shit, Im not a casual fan and Im thinking of giving up on boxing. Mainly because of people like Arum and Sulaiman. They suck, Don King might have been a thief but he gave us many, many great fights. Hed match his fighters with anyone, none of that I ONLY match my champion against top rank fighters.

Or the I will strip the real champions, so my mexican protected money makers can win titles and make me even more money. Or Ill match the #1 ranked fighter vs some unranked, bum from England.

Don King ripped off the fighters, not the fans.

**Mark G** · January 21st, 2012, 06:58 AM

I hate to disturb all the lamenting and anger around here, but I am looking forward to Chavez v. Rubio! That should be a good fight. After seeing Rubio destroy Lemiuex and Vanda, he can be a test for Chavez and is a dangerous opponent.

AFTER Chavez beats him, assuming he wins, I want Chavez to make an effort to fight Martinez, even calling him out if necessary. I think at this point, he needs to do that or he looks like a big pussy. I don't have a problem with him fighting Veneno and THEN Martinez. Those are two excellent opponents back to back. But if he only fights Rubio and then fights some sorry ass guy, he's just not cutting it.

So I haven't given up yet. If he handles Rubio, then its time for him to try to make the match with Martinez.