(Showtime) Froch vs. Ward (Dec. 17)

**Ringside** · December 8th, 2011, 01:33 PM

The finals of the supermiddleweight tournament will be in Atlantic City on Saturday December 17. I'm not a fan of Ward particularly and Froch has grit and comes to fight but in the end I have to pick Ward. Who do you like? Ringo

**Sponsor** · December 8th, 2011 01:33 PM

**Valdosta** · December 8th, 2011, 02:26 PM

Ward by an ugly decision.

**Jack1000** · December 8th, 2011, 08:23 PM

Ward in a ZZZZZZZ match, around 117-111 and 116-112 (twice) in a UD. I think this fight, at least on paper, is easy to call.

Jack

**Redneck** · December 9th, 2011, 03:27 PM

Ward by decision.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 9th, 2011, 08:56 PM

Do bears shit in the woods?

Ward by decision.

I like Froch...tough SOB...but he will have a hard time landing cleanly on Ward.

**Rebel** · December 17th, 2011, 10:12 AM

My final prediction is Ward via decision. Froch is tough but chances are that he won't land the homerun punch tonight.

**Joe King** · December 17th, 2011, 10:21 AM

Picked Ward to cleanly sweep the tournament when it was announced and am still standing by my pick.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 17th, 2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Joe King

Picked Ward to cleanly sweep the tournament when it was announced and am still standing by my pick.

Don't forget me...I did too...lol.

**Carlos** · December 17th, 2011, 01:45 PM

I kinda liked the tournement format, but i feel that it's a bit fucked up that Ward was allowed to fight all his fights at home, while all the others travelled atleast once - Should have been the same for evryone.

All signs points to a Ward win: Froch looked awful against Johnson, Ward is faster and more skilled. Still i think Froch will be extremely motivated, and I think he could provide an upset, wether he will get a decision is a completely different matter.

Calling it a draw.

**Redneck** · December 17th, 2011, 06:28 PM

for the ones that need a live-stream:

ARD Mediathek: Boxen Live - Boxen Live: Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch | ARD.de

but its with german comment.

**TysonFan** · December 17th, 2011, 06:46 PM

After 2. I have Ward ahead 2-0. Ward landing his left hook.

**Carlos** · December 17th, 2011, 07:01 PM

Froch isn't really making things easy for himself, did they have any kind of gameplan for this?

**TysonFan** · December 17th, 2011, 07:06 PM

After 7 Froch maybe won the 3rd round. Froch throwing very wide punches. Ward is on target.

**Carlos** · December 17th, 2011, 07:15 PM

I thought he won the 3rd aswell, if your kind you could go even in round 1 aswell. It beats me why Froch insists on standing so sideways, there's not a hope in hell for his right hand to land with any sort of consistancy

**TysonFan** · December 17th, 2011, 07:25 PM

I have it 9-3 for Ward.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 17th, 2011, 08:21 PM

One of the EASIEST fights to predict...EVER...

**Redneck** · December 17th, 2011, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba

One of the EASIEST fights to predict...EVER...

lol. Yeah. We all knew the result before the fight.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 17th, 2011, 11:22 PM

Don't get me wrong...I like Froch a lot...he's my kinda fighter...I rooted for him throughout the tournament...but style makes fights...and Froch is just too slow for Ward...it was very obvious. Plus Froch was winging his punches tonight....Ward was also out muscling him...that's one aspect that did surprised me...Ward just looked the stronger of the two.

**Hawaiianpunch** · December 17th, 2011, 11:44 PM

The judges scorecards don't do Froch any justice. There was a clear winner tonight but I had Ward winning by a closer margin. I think Froch tried to make it a fight but got out boxed by a more technically sound fighter. Ward just landed that counter left all night and in the later rounds he even started landing his right cross. I thought Steve Smoger did a fine job at not interfering with the action. There was times when there was a little clinching going on and he just let them fight their way out of it. Overall it was a clean fight devoid of any controversy... but I'm not exactly looking forward to the rematch. Good win for Ward!

**Joe King** · December 18th, 2011, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Rabid Kimba

Don't forget me...I did too...lol.

We were both proven right

**Rabid Kimba** · December 18th, 2011, 01:12 AM

BTW, both classy and gracious towards each other at the end.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 18th, 2011, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Joe King

We were both proven right

**Ringside** · December 18th, 2011, 07:12 AM

Got back 4 hours ago..all nighter..lol..Brits are cool folks...I was in row 7 and I was for Froch going in but Andre quickly turned my head around putiing ona boxing clicic. Fast left hand scored at will, he crowded Froch to keep Froch from getting punching distance, he then would step back and pop him often. He evaded punches with his movement. The full package but not too much power. Froch on the other hand takes a punch. I had it like the Brit judge118-110. It was a shut out for the first nine rounds to me although round 5 was close. I came in not expecting much but actually had a good time watching Ward do his thing. Ringo

**Carlos** · December 18th, 2011, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Hawaiianpunch

The judges scorecards don't do Froch any justice. There was a clear winner tonight but I had Ward winning by a closer margin.

A closer margin? Froch was 1 round from a draw on 2 of the 3 scorecards.

**Ringside** · December 18th, 2011, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Carlos

A closer margin? Froch was 1 round from a draw on 2 of the 3 scorecards.

I sat next to a lady and two male writers from Denmark. They were about my age. The woman asked me where to get beer right from the get go and when I told her where to get it she was so excited..lol My kind of people....Ringo

**Rebel** · December 18th, 2011, 10:55 AM

Good win by Ward. Froch was game late as Ward tired, but he won no more than 2-3 rounds, maybe 4 if one is completely generous towards him.

After last night's performance, I now have Ward at #8 on my list. Some people have him in their top 5, top 3, based off this win, which I think is ridiculous. He's beaten some decent fighters at 168, but he's yet to completely clean out the division (Bute, Dirrell), most of the styles he's fought have been tailor-made for him, he hasn't fought a big fight outside his own backyard, and he's never had multi-weight success (not necessarily a requisite but it certainly boosts one's case) like many of the others in my top 10.

**Joe King** · December 18th, 2011, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Rebel

Good win by Ward. Froch was game late as Ward tired, but he won no more than 2-3 rounds, maybe 4 if one is completely generous towards him.

After last night's performance, I now have Ward at #8 on my list. Some people have him in their top 5, top 3, based off this win, which I think is ridiculous. He's beaten some decent fighters at 168, but he's yet to completely clean out the division (Bute, Dirrell), most of the styles he's fought have been tailor-made for him, he hasn't fought a big fight outside his own backyard, and he's never had multi-weight success (not necessarily a requisite but it certainly boosts one's case) like many of the others in my top 10.

To me, he should definitely be ranked higher than Nonito Donaire. Super 6 was a solid tournament and Ward is undefeated. Donaire has two good wins over opponents who haven't had much success.

**Rebel** · December 18th, 2011, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Joe King

To me, he should definitely be ranked higher than Nonito Donaire. Super 6 was a solid tournament and Ward is undefeated. Donaire has two good wins over opponents who haven't had much success.

I'd still rate Donaire higher.

Donaire - Best wins: Vic Darchinyan, Hernan Marquez, Fernando Montiel, Omar Narvaez. Pluses: Multi-weight success from 112-118.

Ward - Best wins: Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch.

To some, Ward may look more skilled with his little sly bag of tricks, but his quality of opposition doesn't stack up nor has he had Donaire's multi-weight success.

**Rabid Kimba** · December 18th, 2011, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rebel

I'd still rate Donaire higher.

Donaire - Best wins: Vic Darchinyan, Hernan Marquez, Fernando Montiel, Omar Narvaez. Pluses: Multi-weight success from 112-118.

Ward - Best wins: Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch.

To some, Ward may look more skilled with his little sly bag of tricks, but his quality of opposition doesn't stack up nor has he had Donaire's multi-weight success.

You are on drugs.

First of all...take that multi-weight shit outta the equation...that's not a gauge to make someone greater than one that sticks to just one weight...case in point...Marvin Hagler...he was a middleweight throughout his career...and he finished up as a middleweight.

Ward's quality of opposition doesn't stuck up to Donaire's? Are you smoking weed right now?

Ward just won the super six for Christ's sakes...he beat the best of the best amongst that division.

Donaire, don't get me wrong, he's a solid fighter...but the guy is beating up on smaller opponents now...the guy looks like a giant now, lol.

The icing on the cake of course will be when Ward easily outboxes Bute...mark down that as another win for my fellow Oaktown homeboy...

**Rabid Kimba** · December 18th, 2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Rebel

I'd still rate Donaire higher.

Donaire - Best wins: Vic Darchinyan, Hernan Marquez, Fernando Montiel, Omar Narvaez. Pluses: Multi-weight success from 112-118.

Ward - Best wins: Mikkel Kessler, Arthur Abraham, Carl Froch.

Seriously...read that out loud to yourself again...seriously...lol.