Who won Condit-Diaz?

[Rebel]

Apparently, many MMA fans are split on who won Saturday's bout. In my view, Condit won the bout 3-2. He fought his fight more than Diaz fought his. What's your take?

[TFK]

MMA fans aren't split. MMA fans know Condit won. Diaz fans are crying because Condit didn't allow Diaz to dictate the fight and Diaz isn't a good enough fighter to adapt mid fight. Condit executed his game plan perfectly by taking away Diaz's biggest strength. Condit outstruck Diaz by a decent margin, especially with leg kicks. Diaz couldn't cut the ring off and trap Condit against the fence, so he pretty much had no choice but to clumsily follow Condit around, trying to taunt Condit into abandoning his game plan. But Diaz failed there too, as Condit showed to be a smarter, more disciplined fighter.

If Diaz thinks every fighter should just stand against the cage and let him tee off on them, maybe he needs to look into the Toughman Circuit, as a serious hole in his game has been exposed, and any smart fighter will do the same to him that Condit did.

TFK

[Rebel]

Fans agree to disagree on Condit-Diaz - Mixed Martial Arts Blog - ESPN

A lot of fans on other MMA sites like Sherdog thought Diaz won also.

[TFK]

Fans agree to disagree on Condit-Diaz - Mixed Martial Arts Blog - ESPN

A lot of fans on other MMA sites like Sherdog thought Diaz won also.

Yes. Butthurt Diaz fans.

It was a close fight, but Condit certainly won. The numbers back that up. Following another fighter around the cage, taunting him is not enough to win rounds, especially when the other fighter is outstriking you the whole time.

I know Diaz is wildly popular, but his fans need to look at this objectively. Carlos Condit was the better fighter Saturday night. Diaz could not control the fight, he couldn't cut the ring off, he couldn't sustain any offense, until the end he couldn't take Condit down, and he couldn't adapt when it was clear his game plan wasn't working.

What exactly did Diaz do that should have earned him the victory?

TFK

[Rebel]

Again, I had Condit winning. It seems many were turned off by his performance. Personally, I thought it was a solid Dominick Cruz type performance rather than the Kalib Starnes display some are calling it.

[TFK]

Again, I had Condit winning. It seems many were turned off by his performance. Personally, I thought it was a solid Dominick Cruz type performance rather than the Kalib Starnes display some are calling it.

I'm not arguing you, I am arguing the idea that Diaz won the fight.

Condit's style reminded me of an MMA Pernell Whitaker, who was so smooth in not allowing his opponent to fight his fight or dictate the pace. People who think Condit ran clearly has no clue. He fought a smart, defensive fight that took away Diaz's strengths. I thought it was a brilliant fight.

And for those calling Condit a coward based on this one fight, in spite of 26 of his 28 wins coming by stoppage? What else needs to be said?

TFK

[Rebel]

Agreed. He fought the right gameplan for that particular opponent.

What's your take on St. Pierre-Condit?

[Laztrooper]

I've never been a Nick Diaz fan but, I felt he won 3-2. I gave him rounds 1 & 2 and felt Condit took rounds 3 & 4 easy because Diaz wasn't doing much but, felt Diaz took the 5th round so IMO he should have got the nod.

[Joe King]

MMA fans aren't split. MMA fans know Condit won. Diaz fans are crying because Condit didn't allow Diaz to dictate the fight and Diaz isn't a good enough fighter to adapt mid fight. Condit executed his game plan perfectly by taking away Diaz's biggest strength. Condit outstruck Diaz by a decent margin, especially with leg kicks. Diaz couldn't cut the ring off and trap Condit against the fence, so he pretty much had no choice but to clumsily follow Condit around, trying to taunt Condit into abandoning his game plan. But Diaz failed there too, as Condit showed to be a smarter, more disciplined fighter.

If Diaz thinks every fighter should just stand against the cage and let him tee off on them, maybe he needs to look into the Toughman Circuit, as a serious hole in his game has been exposed, and any smart fighter will do the same to him that Condit did.

TFK

Exactly. That's why both Diaz brothers constantly berate opponents with trash talk and antics. They NEED the opponents to come at them or else they are done. They aren't as stupid as they look.

[Rebel]

You must've been on a really good one.

[joey83]

Condit clearly won and diaz is one big sook, if he spoke less shit in the octagon and did more then maybe he would have won, but he didnt.

[TLC]

Diaz lost 2-3 arguably.

[Flex "Diesel" Dusty]

I thought Pierce beat Koschec. I was more suprised at that.
As for Conduit and Diaz. I gave Diaz one and five. Conduit won four clearly. So it was up to 2-3. Could of went either way. I was in a book store buying books for my kids and scene a Jackson Camp training book. I reached for it, and then thought, no, it will just say, hit and run and try to win on points. That's not what fighting should be about. That is their system though. They should really tighten up on scoring and also not give any credit to a take down that doesn't produce anything other than a guy spooning another.

[TFK]

It's ridiculous to say fighters shouldn't get credit for takedowns.

TFK

[Flex "Diesel" Dusty]

It's ridiculous to say fighters shouldn't get credit for takedowns.

TFK

Sure, they should get a littl ecredit. But, don't give a guy a round based on a take down that nothing happens afterwards. Score it like a Judo match. With fractional ippons.

[Trplsec]

I'm a huge Nick Diaz fan and didn't have a problem with the decision. I scored it narrowly the other way and I recognize my scoring could be biased. A close decision either way or a draw is fair.

The bottom line is Greg Jackson and Carlos Condit exposed a huge hole in Nick's "amazing" boxing. The guy has zero footwork. Sure his balance is solid but he looked like he was moving in mud when trying to catch and corner Condit.

I also don't have an issue with Condit's win because I think he matches up as good, if not better, with GSP than Nick does.

Regarding credit for takedowns, takedowns like the ones Edgar scored against Henderson, despite not keeping him down, should still scoring moves because Frankie used them to control the octagon and keep Henderson guessing. I thought it worked perfectly. The judges didn't.